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#1 3/1/2011 10:15 pm

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New right side Volcano stratagy

I didn't want to post this new trick in Shrub's strategy/set ups topic, since this one, for the most part doesn't require any building.

It's a simple first turn move that seems like the most idiotic thing to do, but could be useful.
NOTE: You must have first turn to do this.

You first must place Player 1 in a specific spot [shown bellow], and fire a straight rocket.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5199/twboardscanopost1.png

Player 1 is pushed back as far as possible. And, his full walk won't get him very far.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/633/twboardscanopost2.png

Player 1's best option now, would be to place a wall or platform, since he can basically do nothing else useful.

After, I'd place a defensive wall.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/4730/twboardscanopost3.png

ANOTHER NOTE: It would be best to play defensively for the rest of the game if doing this strategy. If you plan to be aggressive, I suggest you don't try this.

EDIT: I'd also like to say that this is mainly for people who don't use rockets as much in games.
Double EDIT: I've tried this trick twice already, and I'm proud to say it worked both times. =)

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#2 3/1/2011 10:19 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Interesting, but I'd rather hold on to my rockets =\

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#3 3/1/2011 10:21 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Ya everyone wants to. I tried finding some way to get the same result with a regular grenade, but none would push far enough. That's why I wanted to bring this to the boards, I want to see if people think it's worth it or not.

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#4 3/1/2011 11:06 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Pretty neat Strategy hmm


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#5 3/1/2011 11:35 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I guess if you are the kind of person who frequently ends games with rockets in your pocket then this wouldn't be a bad way to use them up.


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#6 3/1/2011 11:44 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I was wondering if this kind of thing in general (shooting your rockets early in the match to get a positional advantage rather than using them for kills) would be useful and everyone was like "LOL NO UR DUMB" when I posted a topic about it.  I think it's a decent move, but Player 1 is probably just going to build a step to get back up top and then it's hard to capitalize on your advantage.  But maybe not.  I'd definitely give this a spin if I was still playing.


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#7 3/2/2011 12:45 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Exe you're missing the point of this one. Left side Volcano is known to have a big advantage for first few turns auto kills. The rocket in this topic is MAINLY to push back my opponent so he can't do me any harm for the first turn.

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#8 3/2/2011 12:56 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Cobrall wrote:

Exe you're missing the point of this one. Left side Volcano is known to have a big advantage for first few turns auto kills. The rocket in this topic is MAINLY to push back my opponent so he can't do me any harm for the first turn.

I'm thinking about it, and I agree i like the idea of pushing him back. Few problems though.

One is that left side's first 2 turns are both up front. The next player won't be able to throw a hard enough blow and the 4th will probably be facing a good enough defense from the right side by the time it's his turn.

My priority for right side is to keep all my guys safe, give them height, and give them defense. I've had a few strats for right side and they're always at a great disadvantage, but the three points i mentioned is a top priority in my strats. There's always been a point i've been arguing with myself about. Should I just forget about the 2 people at the bottom and focus my defense for the top 2 people on right side? or should I give the time and risk to get my guys on top? Maybe I'll share my cano strat, I don't really like explaning thou, but one reason I've played two for so long was to have the best strategies, and right side cano always intrigued me smile


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#9 3/2/2011 1:06 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I don't think it's worth pushing player 1 back at all if you have 5 vs 5 or less (hence 2 rockets). It seems somewhat plausible though with 6 vs 6. But still, I for one would never use it, I'd rather kill someone with a rocket then push them back a little (even if they are unable to attack you because they are pushed, they could still build a defense with player 1).


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#10 3/2/2011 1:09 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Cobrall this is a cool idea. Ima try it. I have my doubts, and I think my strat will be better, but I'll try this anyway. Very nice idea though, thinkin outside the box tongue


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#11 3/2/2011 3:08 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Well, when faced with the other two options: Kill P1 with your rocket instead of pushing him back. Or: Save it for later. Then this move gets really outclassed.

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#12 3/2/2011 3:22 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

This also blocks the other player from reaching the second rock without a platform.

However, they could just use an auto grenade with player 2, no? Either way, you'll only be able to make one protective wall/platform before they attack, so I don't think it's as useful as it seems.


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#13 3/2/2011 3:56 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I think the biggest problem is that it only works when you go first, and if you're going first you're already at a defensive advantage to the point where the rocket wouldn't help that much.  Volcano right is strong enough that losing a few players to autokills anyway shouldn't be important.


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#14 3/2/2011 3:57 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

And it only does 20 damage.

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#15 3/2/2011 4:08 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

exe.Cute wrote:

I think the biggest problem is that it only works when you go first, and if you're going first you're already at a defensive advantage to the point where the rocket wouldn't help that much.  Volcano right is strong enough that losing a few players to autokills anyway shouldn't be important.

Exactly; player 2 can do everything player 1 can (this is on the left side), so placing the eventual protective wall first turn should make more sense as the 20 damage after stalling a turn is quite insignificant.

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#16 3/2/2011 4:17 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

It's obviously 30 damage.


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#17 3/2/2011 4:28 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Sorry. I started the 20 thing =P.

Still, there is no difference in 70 or 80 with a shotgun or a rocket, as it takes 2 hits with a shotgun and one hit with a rocket for either. Grenades shouldn't have much of a difference either unless you're talking about light-hitting grenades.

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#18 3/2/2011 5:59 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I can improve upon this, Cob.
0 degrees up.
http://i51.tinypic.com/29mk29t.png

This is the result
http://i56.tinypic.com/2dknc8.png


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#19 3/2/2011 11:36 am

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Yeah Cob I think this is more interesting than it is useful. I still think it's a great thought, though.


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#20 3/2/2011 12:34 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Umm, i have a way to kill Player 2 on the right side w/ 1 wall and a regualr grenade. But i fear if i post it ppl will use it ...


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#21 3/2/2011 3:39 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

IAMBACK wrote:

Umm, i have a way to kill Player 2 on the right side w/ 1 wall and a regualr grenade. But i fear if i post it ppl will use it ...

That's off topic,(because this topic is about right side strategies) and really not that hard to figure out anyway. I'd rather kill player 1 in one turn than spend two turns on player 2. I assume you know how to kill player 1 with a regular grenade, right?

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#22 3/2/2011 4:14 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

I think I may see a huge problem with this but with out seeing the full starting set-up I can't tell. I'll find out once my internet stops being slow and actually lets me load TWO.

*Edit 1* Player 3's head gets in the way if executed exactly in the picture. :S
*Edit 2* That only applies to 6 vs 6.
*Edit 3* My original idea doesn't work because all of your players are too far back. But it still doesn't work on 6 vs 6.

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#23 3/2/2011 4:42 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

IAMBACK wrote:

Umm, i have a way to kill Player 2 on the right side w/ 1 wall and a regualr grenade. But i fear if i post it ppl will use it ...

Yeah I know what you mean, if I share my stuffz it might spread like wildfire, I'm already seeing a few of my angles being used, but i think it's a bit ok to share strats for cano since it's a fucked up map anyways XD my first two moves on left side cano takes out two of the people at the bottom, and all you need are 2 nades


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#24 3/2/2011 6:27 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Shrub if the player lands on the big rock up top [for left side] then... he could just rocket either p1 or p2 for the kill. Cob's rocket at least doesn't allow that to happen.


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#25 3/2/2011 6:49 pm

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Re: New right side Volcano stratagy

Kai wrote:

IAMBACK wrote:

Umm, i have a way to kill Player 2 on the right side w/ 1 wall and a regualr grenade. But i fear if i post it ppl will use it ...

Yeah I know what you mean, if I share my stuffz it might spread like wildfire, I'm already seeing a few of my angles being used, but i think it's a bit ok to share strats for cano since it's a fucked up map anyways XD my first two moves on left side cano takes out two of the people at the bottom, and all you need are 2 nades

Last time we played you did this and I was so pissed lol I didn't even have time to defend myself


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