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#1 12/29/2011 7:51 am

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pick axe glitch

Person pick axes but somehow, opponent sees person pick axing the other way

Person now has advantage because he or she can go through or shoot through while opponent can't

I didn't know this was possible till today yikes

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#2 12/29/2011 3:49 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

Strange...

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#3 12/30/2011 2:27 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

I hax'd :$


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#4 12/30/2011 5:18 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

DazerThePimp wrote:

I hax'd :$

Dozer post your ss!


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#5 1/2/2012 12:52 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

This can be done the same way it is done with grenades. right as you release the A button (for grenades) or press the A button (for pickaxe you switch directions. For example, if you wanted to pickaxe to the left, you would be facing towards the right, and at the last moment possible, press left then A. When doing this with grenades, it shows the grenade flying the other way, coming to a stop, then exploding as if it was thrown the opposite direction.

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#6 1/2/2012 5:17 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

this can be done with rockets too.


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#7 1/5/2012 10:40 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

Pretty much what brnst said, it can be done with any weapon except builds but it's usefull only with pick axe and rifle(using it to make a hole for a missile and you don't want the other one to get a missile to you through it). Grenades and rockets are just for show. :)


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#8 1/5/2012 1:11 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

I hate people that do this with grenades, because I don't actually see how it bounces to get to me; the screen just shows the grenade as if it were thrown in the opposite direction, and then suddenly shows it exploding as it actually happened.


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#9 1/5/2012 7:37 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

This is a lag trick that was first championed by Giraffeman. It's the reason G considered him a cheater and had such a negative view of him for a long time. I also think it's part of the reason Giraffe went to TA. I learned it from Sergio a year ago, by which point it was being spread around pretty quickly.

Madnex explained to me how this works, and it's not a conventional glitch in the sense that you're actually just using connection lag to your advantage by changing direction so quickly that it doesn't register on the opponent's screen. In the case of weapons, if the projectile lands somewhere and explodes, the opponent does see this... but if it doesn't explode and instead falls in a pit or fires off the screen, it simply vanishes on the opponent's screen, no matter where it was at that point in its path.

EDIT: Kudos to Giraffe for keeping it a complete secret for a long time.

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#10 1/5/2012 8:09 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

User972302 wrote:

This is a lag trick that was first championed by Giraffeman. It's the reason G considered him a cheater and had such a negative view of him for a long time. I also think it's part of the reason Giraffe went to TA. I learned it from Sergio a year ago, by which point it was being spread around pretty quickly.

Madnex explained to me how this works, and it's not a conventional glitch in the sense that you're actually just using connection lag to your advantage by changing direction so quickly that it doesn't register on the opponent's screen. In the case of weapons, if the projectile lands somewhere and explodes, the opponent does see this... but if it doesn't explode and instead falls in a pit or fires off the screen, it simply vanishes on the opponent's screen, no matter where it was at that point in its path.

EDIT: Kudos to Giraffe for keeping it a complete secret for a long time.

Weird thing is this kind of happens to me, the lag thing, people see me throwing somewhere else sometimes or they see their guy fall but when we're done synching the guy lived, my computer has some lag problems and it doesn't show the opponent what I did right away I think, it doesn't happen all the time


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#11 1/5/2012 8:20 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

Kai wrote:

Weird thing is this kind of happens to me, the lag thing, people see me throwing somewhere else sometimes or they see their guy fall but when we're done synching the guy lived, my computer has some lag problems and it doesn't show the opponent what I did right away I think, it doesn't happen all the time

Yeah don't worry, you're not the only one haha. Certain players do it accidentally more often than others. I remember Perfect used to do it on purpose a lot but even when he was playing normally he'd do it accidentally as well. Angel is the same way. One similar characteristic between all of you is that you're hasty players (don't take it the wrong way, it works for you). When you move very quickly you're more likely to cause connection issues.


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#12 1/5/2012 10:36 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

Nothing on topic, but I just accidentally levitated while ending a turn... No other keys=pro xD! Later I tested it offline and it looks like you levitate (float) with 0 and V, ending your turn or viewing stage heh!

Giraffeman knew this before? Ouch! Well, it's certainly a double edged knife posting new glitches but since new(=unknown to majority) tricks are posted very rarely, I'd like to thank Kai for the topic. ;)


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#13 1/6/2012 2:24 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

That wasn't why Ballin left for TA at all, and it wasn't until well after he had left SNM that G accused him of "cheating". I can honestly say that was one of the few times I disagreed with G. Just because Ballin had a slow computer that he used to his advantage doesn't mean he in any way was cheating the game, and there has never been any evidence of wrong-doing.


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#14 1/6/2012 5:15 am

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Re: pick axe glitch

yea sometimes i see them throw it the wrong direction and then it blows me up, sometimes they just throw it wrong anyways


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#15 1/6/2012 5:53 am

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I have seen it before aswell. It gives me false hope sometimes.


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#16 1/6/2012 7:50 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

Twinfan wrote:

That wasn't why Ballin left for TA at all, and it wasn't until well after he had left SNM that G accused him of "cheating". I can honestly say that was one of the few times I disagreed with G. Just because Ballin had a slow computer that he used to his advantage doesn't mean he in any way was cheating the game, and there has never been any evidence of wrong-doing.

My bad on the sequence of events.

But, he most certainly cheated. There's no question about that in my eyes, because he was my recruiter to SNM, and in our first match he used the lag trick very obviously on purpose over and over. I was new to the game at that point so it was the first time I'd seen anyone do the double jump or the backwards shot, but sure enough he did it. I could tell he was a pro because he never missed. It was at the satellites void, and he kept landing impacts on the middle moon from his satellite... only he'd throw it off the stage in the wrong direction and it'd land perfectly, without fail.

The reason I'm sure he was exploiting it for his advantage is because he literally walked over to his place, stood backwards very obviously on purpose, set up and fired, and by the time I said "WTF" or whatever in the chat he was lol'ing. Perhaps it was because I was a complete noob at that point, or perhaps he had just figured it out around that time and was testing it on me, but I am positive he was not doing it by accident, since he did it multiple times and didn't hide it at all.

EDIT: By the way, I mentioned double jump because Giraffe double jumped against me in our first match in which he recruited me. He was a glitch machine in that game and that's actually why I ended up coming to SNM. I said something along the lines of "how the hell did you do that?" to which he responded, "haha everyone in SNM knows it." When I pressed further, he gave me the link, and I joined.

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#17 1/6/2012 8:04 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

The lag trick isn't really cheating. It is however bad etiquette. Double jump is only considered cheating in clan wars/matches so in the instance you described, that wasn't really cheating.

So from what you described, no, he wasn't a cheater.


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#18 1/6/2012 8:09 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

CViper wrote:

The lag trick isn't really cheating. It is however bad etiquette. Double jump is only considered cheating in clan wars/matches so in the instance you described, that wasn't really cheating.

So from what you described, no, he wasn't a cheater.

Well, most people would consider all purposeful glitches and other forms of exploiting the game's errors as "cheating," but if you're defining it some other way do tell. From what I described, he was a cheater, at least by either of these definitions of "cheat":

verb
• [ intrans. ] act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination
• [ trans. ] deceive or trick


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#19 1/6/2012 8:16 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

By your definition, shooting through walls is also cheating then.

I was merely pointing out that most people don't consider it to be cheating.


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#20 1/6/2012 8:42 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

CViper wrote:

By your definition, shooting through walls is also cheating then.

I was merely pointing out that most people don't consider it to be cheating.

Yes, strictly speaking, shooting through walls is cheating. But, I think it's important to realize that it has been almost universally recognized as a fair tactic. I believe Afro even pointed out that it wasn't something he was going to patch, even though he could, because it was working well.

On the other hand, the lag trick is by no means accepted in TWO as a fair tactic. Most people who play the game outside of clans think it's hacking, and I guarantee it's forbidden in wars even though it's not explicitly stated in the rules. It falls under the category of "glitch" and is therefore forbidden in clans.

I think these are good reasons to call it simply unfair, and obviously cheating, just like double jump or any other glitches.


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#21 1/6/2012 9:47 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

While admittedly I haven't seen it done in a very long time (so much so that I didn't even know it was named in clans) if it only comes from using your slow computer, then it's hard to really say it's cheating. Slow computers allow for a hell of a lot of exploitation in TWO, most significantly probably being the power bar moving at a snail's pace, which seems like a much worse offense than using your own lag to your own edge without necessarily screwing your opponent.


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#22 1/6/2012 9:54 pm

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It wasn't just because he had a "slow computer." He did it on purpose to me when he first recruited me and many other people including G, Sulli, and others were likely witness to the same thing. I do think he hid it well, because the few times I played him after that he didn't do it. I'm sure, however, that he knew about the trick and didn't tell anyone how to do it for a long time.

I remember his explanation was that he began the power bar before aiming, so he'd hold the power down while aiming and then fire when he was ready. That makes no sense, though, because as we now know, that doesn't have anything to do with the trick.


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#23 1/6/2012 10:06 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

One of my other problems, and this only happened once is that I left the guy so fast that it showed me forfeiting [when in truth I waited for the message [kai wins] to fall down and click the option to go back to lobby]

I didn't get a loss from it, I got a win


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#24 1/6/2012 10:11 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

Kai wrote:

One of my other problems, and this only happened once is that I left the guy so fast that it showed me forfeiting [when in truth I waited for the message [kai wins] to fall down and click the option to go back to lobby]

I didn't get a loss from it, I got a win

Hahaha that's pretty funny. So you both got wins?


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#25 1/6/2012 10:28 pm

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Re: pick axe glitch

User972302 wrote:

Kai wrote:

One of my other problems, and this only happened once is that I left the guy so fast that it showed me forfeiting [when in truth I waited for the message [kai wins] to fall down and click the option to go back to lobby]

I didn't get a loss from it, I got a win

Hahaha that's pretty funny. So you both got wins?

Not sure about him, I don't even know if he really told the truth but with this glitch in mind it does make sense


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