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#1 12/3/2014 4:13 am

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Star Wars

I know nothing about it, please tell me why I should get into this?


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#2 12/3/2014 5:01 am

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Re: Star Wars

[spoiler]You shouldn't because its awful[/spoiler]

But seriously, its a culturally significant piece of art. Not really essential to get into it, but you're better for it if you've seen it.


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#3 12/3/2014 4:45 pm

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It's first and foremost a childhood movie. You won't appreciate it now, and unfortunately you're probably past understanding its magic. But at 6 years old, it's like nothing you've ever seen before. I wouldn't call myself a fan, currently. I retain the knowledge of it and all the books I read as a kid, and I hold the memories and the nostalgia, but I've since grown up and don't need to watch it every day.

That's one of the biggest gripes I have with the fan base. You're a 40 year old man pissed off because they added cross guards on a lightsaber. These are not your movies. They never were yours to begin with. You have no say in anything they do and you are not the target audience. Get over it.


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#4 12/3/2014 4:54 pm

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Re: Star Wars

[Double post because it's a completely different reply]

Having said what I said above, if you are going to watch it, I recommended the slightly modified machete order:

Episode IV A New Hope
Episode V Empire Strikes Back

Then go back and watch

Episode I Phantom Menace
Episode II Attack of the Clones

This part is optional, but you can then watch the Clone Wars series. There are only a few really important episodes you need concern yourself with though.

Episode III Revenge of the Sith

Then go back and finish the original trilogy and thus the series

Episode VI Return of the Jedi

This is the best order I feel because if you watch them in chronological order based on the events that happen in the movie (1-6) then you spoil some of the impact that some of the older movies have when they reveal certain things that you may or may not already know.

However, if you watch them completely in order of when they were released (4,5,6,1,2,3) you will miss some of the subtle tie ins the original trilogies have with the prequels that were added later in the special editions. By watching them in the machete order you take a break from the original trilogy at it's peak, and go back and learn more about the characters involved in the drama. You then return to the last movie where 2 years have passed and all the characters (as well as yourself) are wiser.

More than likely you'll will watch the Special Edition versions, which, despite what people say, are not that bad. There's like 10% of shit that wasn't needed but most of it is not a big deal. Having said that though, I highly recommended that you watch  Adywan's Revisited version of Episode 4. It is a really well done edit and it ties in the prequels with the 4th movie beautifully.


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#5 12/3/2014 7:42 pm

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Ok thanks! Yea I only saw the first movie (which wasn't the first movie). But like, I was only into cartoons back then so I didn't really pay attention. Now that I know what order to watch the movies in if I ever wana dive into them this holiday season. Thanks for the good guide on how 2 star wars.


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#6 12/3/2014 9:35 pm

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Never really thought that hard about the order, Mike. If you watched the original versions (as opposed to the remastered versions)would you still do it that way because there wouldn't have been any of the prequel tie-ins.

I have quite a lot of Star Wars Merchandise including but not limited to: Figurine shelf, lounge pants and slippers, Anakin's lightsabre, collection of books and DVDs, a couple of posters (not currently up) and a mug.
Despite this, I'm like Mike; Star Wars will always reserve a special place in my heart but I've grown out of it. I just can't bring to throw out all my stuff.

Really excited for the new film though.


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#7 12/3/2014 9:46 pm

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I would still recommend that order. There's not a lot of spoilers that haven't already been spoiled just because it's one of the most famous movies ever. Without actually saying it, I think everyone knows the truth to Luke's parentage, but some might not know what Yoda means when he says 'there is another', who the mysterious bounty hunter is at the end of Empire, or who that crazy creepy guy in the hood that Vader bows to is.

It's little questions like these that are raised when you watch the original trilogy first, and only answered later. If they're never asked because you saw the first three then I feel you kind of lose out on a fun opportunity to ponder those questions if even for a short time.

The reason I say watch them between 5 and 6 is because there aren't a lot of questions that come up after 6. Usually 5 brings up a lot of the 'whoa what just happened?' or the 'what did he mean?', where 6 resolves those questions. The prequel answers them as well, but by actually seeing them, as opposed to Obi Wan telling the story or something of that nature.


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#8 12/4/2014 3:30 pm

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Re: Star Wars

Here's a cool article showing how much Star Wars 7 (that we know of so far) has been heavily influenced by Ralph McQuarrie's artwork for the original Star Wars in the 70's.

See How ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Was Inspired By Ralph McQuarrie’s Unused Concept Art

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This is why I almost never discuss Star Wars, or any sort of pop culture with fans. It usually turns into a circle jerk of 'oh my god they're changing shit and ruining my life'. People are so mad at a movie that won't be out for another year based on the 37 seconds they've seen that was heavily influenced by artwork drawn up for the movie they are trying to protect.

And then they have the audacity to write fan fiction.


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#9 12/4/2014 5:54 pm

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They should have made that droid more like the original concept.  The one they ended up with looks like its riding a soccer ball.

Other than that I didn't see anything wrong with the new movie other than the fact I'm still wondering what the main plot would be after the Emporor's death. 

No matter what, as long as they still have John Williams, Star Wars will always have a hope.

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#10 12/4/2014 7:04 pm

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Well in the expanded universe the Empire still fought the good fight even after the emperor was dead. After two Death Stars destroyed though they were low on people and they became the rag tag rebellion while the New Republic was the big dog in charge.

They had several stories where someone was put in the Emperor's chair to try to give off the illusion that they still had their shit together. In one story there was a mutant named Triclops who was supposed to be the son of Palpatine and owned the glove of Vader, but was really just a pawn between the Moffs and the Dark Counsel in their bids for power.

One of my favorite was in the young Jedi series, where Palpatine was back in charge and sending messages to the brave dark jedi and stormtroopers who still supported the empire. It turned out to be a conspiracy by some of Palpatine's closest Royal Guards who just used old recordings and technology to create new messages to make it look like Palpatine was still alive and kicking.

So in the new movie, I'm going to assume the Empire is sort of like that. It's a big galaxy and not every system will leave the Empire and join the New Republic right off the bat.


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#11 12/4/2014 7:10 pm

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That soccer ball droid is so cool!


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#12 12/4/2014 7:13 pm

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Alchemist21 wrote:

No matter what, as long as they still have John Williams, Star Wars will always have a hope.

The thing I'm most excited about with the new movies is to see where John Williams goes with the music. One of the best things about the prequels is the way John Williams ties all the music and themes together, like hinting to The Imperial March in Anakin's Theme in The Phantom Menace.

My absolute favorite is The Final Song in The Phantom Menace during the celebration,  which is a slightly modified and sped up version of The Emperor's Theme.


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#13 12/5/2014 3:20 am

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Re: Star Wars

Dear God this exist and it is fantastic.
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#14 12/5/2014 6:58 am

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Re: Star Wars

Rodimus Mike wrote:

Here's a cool article showing how much Star Wars 7 (that we know of so far) has been heavily influenced by Ralph McQuarrie's artwork for the original Star Wars in the 70's.

See How ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Was Inspired By Ralph McQuarrie’s Unused Concept Art

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This is why I almost never discuss Star Wars, or any sort of pop culture with fans. It usually turns into a circle jerk of 'oh my god they're changing shit and ruining my life'. People are so mad at a movie that won't be out for another year based on the 37 seconds they've seen that was heavily influenced by artwork drawn up for the movie they are trying to protect.

And then they have the audacity to write fan fiction.

Actually, I've heard more people complaining about people complaining about the new movie than people actually complaining about the movie. I understand that they exist and they can be extreme at times but I think I sympathize with them more than the massive amount of people who are getting super excited about the new movie. So many people agree that the prequels are shit but then these same people get excited about a new movie that could easily end up the same way. I'm not saying I think the prequels are shit but I do like the original trilogy a lot more, that could be nostalgia goggles but I watched both series' around the same time so I doubt it. For that reason, I'm not dreading the coming of the new movie but I'm not looking forward to it either. I just assume it'll be a pretty good movie that doesn't really "live up to" the Star Wars name. One reason for that (aside from the fact that it's a sequel to a trilogy made decades ago) is because of the new Star Trek movies (also directed by J.J. Abrams). They were decent action movies that seemed to do a lot of pandering to fanboys by endlessly using famous quotes and in the case of Into Darkness, practically copying half of Wrath of Khan as an homage. It just didn't feel like a Star Trek movie. Granted, I'm a bigger fan of Star Trek than Star Wars, so I'm probably not qualified to decide what is truly "Star Wars" and what is not. Plus Star Wars is more actiony in the first place, and I'm pretty sure J.J. Abrams himself has said he's far more passionate about Star Wars then Star Trek. But basically, I think people are getting too hyped up for this because it has the words "Star Wars" attached. I have a feeling many of the same people praising the new movie now will come out of the theater disappointed with what they got and we'll have to listen to a lot more people complain than just basement dwelling fanboys. It's all just a matter of having the right attitude, which it seems like you do.


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#15 12/5/2014 3:39 pm

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Walrus King wrote:

It just didn't feel like a Star Trek movie. Granted, I'm a bigger fan of Star Trek than Star Wars, so I'm probably not qualified to decide what is truly "Star Wars" and what is not. Plus Star Wars is more actiony in the first place, and I'm pretty sure J.J. Abrams himself has said he's far more passionate about Star Wars then Star Trek.

I've heard the same thing from a ton of people, that the new Star Trek movies felt too much like Star Wars. I thought the new movies were pretty good but I'm not as big into Star Trek, so I think with all that data we can at least say JJ is probably a pretty good choice for the new Star Wars movie.

You're right, the new movies will never live up to the old ones, but to knock it just for existing is definitely not going to help. I enjoy the original trilogy more, but I actually see a lot of good in the prequels that I don't think a lot of people do. But that's just me I guess.


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#16 12/5/2014 9:36 pm

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I really liked the first new star trek, i didn't get to see the 2nd one.


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#17 12/5/2014 10:36 pm

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Out of the prequels, Attack of the Clones was the only bad one and even that had some good scenes in it towards the end. I thought Revenge of the Sith was on a par with the original trilogy and Phantom Menace was decent.
People can get excited about something before it's out and then be disappointed when it comes out, Wally.

I really liked the new Star Trek films and thought they did justice to the originals.


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#18 12/7/2014 7:36 pm

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Totally agree with you Viper. What's your ranking for the 6 movies?

I believe mine is, from most favorite to least favorite:

Empire Strikes Back
I'd say second place is a tie between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope
A Phantom Menace
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones

Attack of the Clones I feel drags because it is the true transitional sequence of the series. Phantom Menace shows you the height of a culture that's been chugging along for generations. It's ships and the planets all look beautiful because they've been culturing their art for so long. Phantom Menace is the prequel of the prequels, completely different from the others. Revenge of the Sith is much closer in culture and look to the original trilogy, for obvious reason, but to get there you have to transition with the Clone Wars.


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#19 12/7/2014 10:01 pm

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fuck you mike, you suck dick. wally is the only one with some SENSE around here. faggot

The first time I tried having a little fun with you. The second time got you the ban. Both were unprovoked, and I'm not sure what your problem is, but seriously, get over it. It's not cute. - Rodimus Mike

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#20 12/7/2014 10:18 pm

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New Hope
Empire
Revenge
Return
Phantom
Attack

I think Attack of the Clones was too bogged down in politics and too much of a love story but as you said, they had to have a filler between Phantom Menace and Revenge.

Have you watched Rebels? I've heard mixed things about it but I'll probably watch it eventually.


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#21 12/7/2014 11:11 pm

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If you liked any of the episodes of Clone Wars, you'll like Rebels. It's sort of a teaser season with 6 episodes, but you can tell that once they hit their stride they have something really good on their hands. Like Force Awakens, you can see a bunch of Mcquarrie influence everywhere like Zed coming from the Chewbacca concept:

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It's definitely got its slapstick moments because ultimately it's a kids show, but there's drama in there as well. I have a feeling it's going to hit it's stride next season as it gets closer to Force Awakens and really connect the prequels with the original trilogy hard. I'm predicting a return of Ahsoka.


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#22 12/8/2014 4:01 am

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I think I might be more hyped for the new Battlefront game than the movie right now.  DICE, the company that does the Battlefield games, is making it.

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#23 12/8/2014 6:56 pm

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Yeah everywhere I go people are excited for Battlefront. I've never played it so I think I'm missing out.

Speaking of Star Wars games, gog.com released X-Wing and Tie Fighter for PC for 9 bucks, which is a steal for some classic Star Wars games. I've heard nothing but great things about both.

I just started playing Tie Fighter and so far I really feel like I'm flying in a Tie Fighter against the rebellion. What I mean by that is each ship has it's own attributes that you control, shields, guns, engine speed, etc. You only have a certain about of energy so you have to choose where you place it to strengthen whichever attribute the Tie has. The normal, everyday Tie Fighters have only 2 guns, no shields, and pretty crappy engines, I died several times and I really got to see why they were shot down so much in the movies. I'm feeling like a worthless grunt and it's great.


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#24 12/8/2014 11:17 pm

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I've never really been a fan of Star Wars. Couldn't tell you what it's about now, because the last time I saw it I was probably 6-8 years old. All I know is I liked R2-D2 for some reason.


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#25 12/9/2014 3:42 am

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Because he's a pimp and is the most important rebel.


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